Season 4

This is something that I’ve always wondered about with svtfoe. Particularly with season 4. Were the crew just lazy or something? I just genuinely don't understand why we didn't see an adult version of Star. 

Because Star went to the Neverzone countless times, given yes, no where near as long as Marco, but it’s just very odd that they didn’t age her up, even the slightest. Especially when you consider how fast time flies in the Neverzone, it doesn’t make that much sense why Star stayed exactly the same every single time she went there.

And I mean if we're going by the so called "Marco's a 30 yr old trapped in a 15 yr old's body" belief, then it would be wise to age Star up in the Neverzone as well (even though Marco's confirmed to have the mentality of a 15 yr old when he leaves the Neverzone).

But either way, I reckon it just would have been an interesting plot point either way. Not just to see what Star would look like, but also reveal many new and advanced spells that Star would no doubt had developed over the years she spent in the Neverzone, potentially being useful for future events in like for "Cleaved". As well as help Star's character development by making her to become a lot more mature from her experiences that she remembers from the Neverzone. 

it's been some time to come to terms with it, enough people have gotten into it, hell a lot of videos on youtube have now dived into the finale and the last season as a whole.

So after all is said and done, is cleaved a bad series finale?

Personally? I kinda have to say yes, as a finale that was meant to wrap everything up and end in a satisfying way and place for it's fanbase that had been dedicated to the show for years, it fails so hard. And this is best disscussed in so many videos, essays, ect ect. But there's so much left unansweed, the ending is full of plot holes, the conflict and how they resolve that conflict is flakey, it's not a satisfying sendoff to the world and characters, and not to mention how badly it butchers characters like star, marco, and moon.

when it first came out it was divided, but it quickly got worse and worse the more you actually thought about it and everything surronding it and now the fanbase has a less then happy view towards it and mostly prefers to pretend it never happened.

What are your thoughts? Where does the finale fall for you? Did s3 really start off the drop towards this ridiculed ending?

Hey guys, there is a petition that you can sign if you want to. 

Since most people, even me to an extent, believe that season 4 felt rushed in certain areas it makes you wonder what it would have been like if we got another season and/or if we were given certain episodes in season 4 and others in a season 5. If what we've heard is true that Daron tried to get a season 5 but Disney wouldn't allow it for whatever reasons; something about season lenght.But if we had, what could we have gotten out of it.

Here are a few episode ideas that I have in mind that probably could have made the series finale Cleaved a lot better if it had gone in similar direction; other than just it being given a longer run time.

Moon finding out the Yurt people were being recruited by Mina; thus learning what she had planned and giving us a reason why Moon even took her side in the first place. ( I was one of those people that were mad at her too)

Finding out what really happened with Shastican with the Spiderbites. We find out it was his faulth Globgor attacked Spiderbite Village back then. Globgor would still want to make peace with the Spiderbite kingdom anyway just because. Penolope and Slime would need to play a role in this since, in a way, they're almost like Eclipsa and Globgor within some context.

Tom's journey across the multiverse.

Eclipsa/Globgor night out episode

An extended flashback episode relating to Solaria and Eclipsa

(More Justifiable) Reasons why Star may come to the conclusion to destory magic.

Why Marco and Kelley stopped being break up buddies? (Not a real necessary episode but it wouldn't hurt to have it)

Another Meteora and Mariposa episode

A few more Earth Episodes

What would you all have wanted to see?

I'm not exactly a time person but from what this Season has given, what I think is the worst thing to ever come from this was the scheduling and the timing.
I know that this has nothing to do with the series despite being more on the quality of the episodes rather than the time of the arrangement, but the reason I think why these episodes feel so rushed it's had badly schedule these episodes were set up. Maybe if these episodes had better organization for the season, we would've had more time to savor of what has been currently going on, and not have it end so soon.
So by comparing to last year's I made itself an imaginary schedule to how it really should've been produced for this Season. 

First, the beginning episodes "Butterfly Follies " to "Curse of the Blood Moon " should've premiered on February 4th to the 14th, leaving out Fridays, then break for three weeks. Since the Curse of the Blood Moon does have the feel of Valentine's day special.
Resuming on March 16 with "Princess Quasar Caterpillar and the Magic Bell" and have every other episode premiere on Saturdays until April 13th as a double feature with "The Monster and the Queen" and "Cornonation ". Then go on a month hiatus, skipping out May entirely, until in summer June 22nd premiering on Saturdays again with "Doop-Doop " and stop on July 6 and finally after two weeks, the final episodes would be combined all at once as a television movie.

For how it is now, this should've been the schedule for this season. Having episodes premiere on May was probably the worst time for this season. Not only is it in the way of the months holidays, which made a huge turn to have Queen Moon's betrayal on mother's day; but it goes in a competition by the audience's choice either watch a series or blockbuster films like Avengers Endgame or Aladdin (2019). 

That's how bad it was, to even the channel! They only had them premiere for only three months on Sundays, without any breaks or hiatuses, and up to the point where they feel like they didn't even care for the series, to actually have the time to savor the moments. 

I think even Disney XD gave it a better treatment more so than Disney Channel itself. It could be my saying since they manage to had the previous seasons spread out to even last to 4 years. 
I know this really won't fix some of the qualities of the writing or development to the characters even into some of the episodes, especially to say this year would still be the last time with Star and Marco, but maybe this would've given us more time to embrace the tender moments or more of the characters' antics. Still to say the rest of the episodes would have been great for the summer.

With the show over and magic destroyed, many unanswered questions still linger in the minds of us fans.  One of those questions is what'll happen to the multiverse now that magic is gone?  Even though Star and Marco are together forever, how many friendships and families have split apart because of the loss of interdimensional travel?  What about magical beings other than the millhorses and MHC?  What about dimensions that may have NEEDED magic in order to stay afloat or even exist?  What about the merging of Earth and Mewni and the problems that each side will have to face now that the dimensions have merged?  Will there even be new ones?  Heck, if it is all the dimensions merged into one, how will EVERYONE cope with all these new beings having to share their world with others?

Glossyrck may have seen it coming and Hekapoo may have been willing to sacrifice herself to stop what she thought was a force 'that did more harm than good', but were they right?  Could Glossyrck see beyond the age of magic?  Did Hekapoo show any care to the welfare of those who would be irreparably harmed because of magic's end?  She certainly didn't when it came to the welfare of monsters.

What are your thoughts?

Let's be real.  Shipping has been one of the weaker aspects of SvtFoE.  With season four, many people were arguing that we got way too much of Starco to the point where it was detrimental to the show, while others are deeply satified we got it at all.  What are your thoughts?

I just don't get it. Aside from the Book of Spells, I don't remember seeing any build up toward him coming to Mewni or being an antagonist. I've heard of what he's done and can see why people would want him but would it have really made sense for him to be the antagonist in season 4, really?

Now that it's over and magic in the multiverse has been destroyed, what do you think of season four as a whole?  Did you like it?  Did you have some issues with it?

With a week to go before the final episode airs, I wanted to ask you guys whether or not you liked the idea of Moon's betrayal and attempt to use Mina to remove Eclipsa from the throne.  It was a twist, but was it a good or bad kind?

I know Mina is being set up as the main baddie of the series but is anyone else disappointed we didn't get to see Seth?  Do you think we will? Do you think Mina has what it takes to be a final antagonist, or will we get a twist ending?

Season four has been pretty good so far, but the one thing I can't seem to get is the shipping that's happening in the show.  From 'Curse of the Blood Moon' hewing into Starco, to Kellco being built up an only dumped off-screen in an otherwise pretty good episode to building up Starco again.  I think that in her attempts to make Starco interesting, Daron is bending over backward WAY TOO MUCH to make it happen.

Tom's character development has been astounding in this case though, but I think it's time to stop with Starco a wee-bit.  Don't you guys agree?

I do hope Jackie will return in Season 4, to help tie up some loose ends.

OK, we had Ludo as the main antagonist in Season 1, Toffee in the last bit of 1, all of 2 and the beginning of 3 and Meteora in the rest of 3. Now, I have reason (via Monster Bash, Yada Yada Berries and even just recently The Ghost of Butterfly Castle) to believe that Mina Loveberry will be the main antagonist in Season 4.

THE GOOD

- Season 4 seems to be sticking to the same formula of light hearted comedy and off-plot adventure while also including plot heavy and plot driven information. Nefcy has successfully pulled this off for every season of SVTFOE so far and it makes me glad that this positive trend is continuing so far.

- The disappearance of Moon is finally resolved withing the first episodes of the season, which allows for more focus on the current Queen of Mewni Eclipsa and for other plots. Moon and River, while becoming irrelevant in the recent episodes, are still in back of my mind as they could see a reappearance at any time. 

- We get some more insight into the personality of Eclipsa which hasn't really been seen before. Before, she was portrayed as a mysterious psuedo-villain, hell-bent on getting her husband back. But now she is seen more positively (at least to the audience and the main characters), as she focuses her attention mostly on serving her kindgom as best she can. 

- We get some continuing pressures and potential strains on Tom and Star's relationship and see a new one arise in Kelly and Marco, adding another layer to the mess that is shipping in SVTFOE. This is good for me because it adds more dynamic and layers of thought behind how each potential pairing could end up (whether or Starco, Kellco, or TomStar will come out on top IF one actually does) and reasoning as to why it might end so.

- We finally go back to the "Abs Marco" dimension, one of my personal favorite dimensions, and the Underworld. It's good to see that we get to see a different dimesion for the first time in a while as most of the series since "Stump Day" (if I'm not mistaken) has taken place on Mewni

- We FINALLY address the Blood Moon Ball (actually a curse) for the first time since "Blood Moon Ball" all the way back in Season 1. There is still a layer of mystery and uncertainty behind as the episode "Curse of the Blood Moon" seems to leave more questions than answers.

- We are generally left with almost no real resolution to some of the problems that are happening at the moment after each episode, which gives a good sense of suspense and intrigue. For example, while Eclipsa seems to gain the approval of one Mewman in "The Ponyhead Show!", there is still no apparent solution to the whole "liking Eclipsa" situation. (I'll also add that the musical piece performed by Eclipsa was AWESOME, it really adds a level of sincerity and "down-to-earthness" to Eclipsa). Overall, it keeps me wanting to watch more and want to tune in to the next episode as soon as possible. 

- [UPDATE: 4/23/19] Despite being kinda short, they finally gave some resolution to Ludo's plot line in "Princess Quasar Caterpillar and The Magic Bell". I like what they did at the end with Ludo and his family finally moving to the old castle. It also adds to the kind spirited nature of Dennis towards Ludo and it shows a great growth within Ludo. Ludo is unlikely to come back and if he doesn't, this is the perfect way for him to finally leave the scene. 

- [UPDATE: 4/23/19] We finally get some idea for the main antagonist of Season 4 in Mina Loveberry. Both "Ghost of Butterfly Castle" and the end of "Junkin' Janna" seem to suggest that Mina will be the main antagonist for the season as she seeks to restart the Solarian Project in a possible attempt to remove all of the monsters from Mewni.

- [UPDATE: 4/24/19] I LOVE how they changed the perception of Globgor in "The Monster and the Queen" and "Coronation". Before "The Monster and the Queen", Globgor was seen as a vile, murderous monster potentially hellbent on getting revenge while Eclipsa looked selfish for trying to free him. This completely changed as we get to see. for the first time, the true relationship between Globgor and Eclipsa. Simply put, Eclipsa is still madly in love with Globgor and the same goes in reverse. They now seem like the good guys in this (except kinda for Globgor because he did eat Mewmans) and now it seems like we will see a lot more of Globgor for the remainder of the season

- [UPDATE 4/24/19] I just recently checked the episode list for Season 4 and I CANNOT WAIT TO SEE "SAD TEEN HOTLINE". It's such a good reference and I want to see if Marco goes back to Earth or SOMETHING. I really hope this episode is good (even if it seems kinda like a filler)

- [UPDATE 4/28/19] This isn't very much a "good" but rather something huge in the plot of the show. TOMSTAR IS NO MORE (for now). Star seemed to have broken up with Tom (at least temporarily) while she goes and "figures stuff out" and the end of "Doop-Doop". I'll probably go into detail about this in some other forum post. I like how Star was visibly definitely hesitant in going with Tom on the trip thorughout the episode and it kept me in suspense for the entire episode. I wasn't expecting for Star to break up with Tom right there and it seems to be good for advancing Star's transition back to Earth.

- [UPDATE 4/28/19]  We are FINALLY back to Earth. We FINALLY get to see "Marco Jr" aka. Mariposa (meaning "Butterfly" in Spanish). We FINALLY get to see some of the old characters from Seasons 1 and 2. I love this throwback to Earth and (hopefully) the season will end like it started on Earth. It only seems fitting that the series ends on Earth. I love finally getting to see Mariposa (and I found it funny how everyone on Earth thought it was Marco and Star's baby) and how Marco plays an important family role on her. We also get to see the old characters like Alfonso, Ferguson, Skullnick, Oskar, Sensai, etc. We even get to see Mariposa and Meteora as older kids in "Gone Baby Gone" which is interesting to hear. 

- [UPDATE 4/28/19] There is more LGBT representation in the show because of Jackie and her apparent girlfriend Chloe. SVTFOE hasn't shied away from LGBT representation with the most notable example being in "Just Friends" in Season 2, when a gay couple is briefly seen kissing just before Marco and Jackie kiss. I'm hoping they come back because LBTQ representation is important to me personally so to see this being shown more openly is great.

- [UPDATE: 4/28/19] Beach Day has been resolved finally but it was still kinda confusing but pretty cool at the same time the way they implemented this complicated time paradox into this. Also, the way that Father Time said that there is worse to come make me so excited for these last episodes. It also reminds me of "Into The Wand" in Season 2 where Star is being chased by multiple past versions of herself to get rid of Toffee's finger from inside her wand. 

THE BAD

- Some of the episodes seem kinda lengthy or stretched out possibly to add to the runtime of each episode (since now in Season 4 the episodes are now in two 30 minute blocks instead of just one). Some moments of episodes seem to drag on for longer than it needs to and often could possibly (I feel) could be shortened down without losing any meaning. Example: while I loved the episode "Curse of the Blood Moon", the scene where Tom, Star, Marco, and Relicor go to the stone and they encounter the tower and the couch was kinda unimportant and, if not for the extended run-time, could have possibly trimmed down or even removed entirely. 

- The episode "Out of Business" was an overall negative for me. The previous point I made before covers mostly what I think about this episode. Now don't get me wrong, there have been "filler" episodes before where the episode is just a bridge between a big episode, but this episode to me just felt really stretched out and boring. There was no real reason to going to QuestBuy and the fact that the episode didn't really contribute anything to the story as a whole kinda disappointed me. To me, really the only good things that come out of the episode was the fact that Janna just kinda showed up (which is unexplained and sudden) and that there may have been an allusion to Marco Jr when Marco want to go back to the storage room to save the Baby Marcos with Wheels for Hands (which I thought was funny so I'll give the episode that bit)

- We have seen nothing from Earth, Marco Jr, or Marco's parents since the episode "Marco Jr" and that bums me out because I really liked Marco's parents as supporting characters to Marco and I am really curious as to what is happening with Marco Jr. It would also be nice to see the high school again and see how (if anything) changed about it. A throwback or flashback to Seasons 1 and 2 would be cool to see as well. [UPDATE 4/28/19] We finally go back to Earth and (if this trend continues) the season will end the same way it started: on Earth.

- I feel as if "Butterfly Follies Parts One and Two" were generally unneccesary because while it is an episode dedicated to trying to find Moon, I don't think it needed essentially two episodes to cover. One could have probably been enough, especially considering they don't even find Moon until the next episode.

- [UPDATE: 4/23/19] Despite me not being a huge Kellco fan, they didn't really go deep with the whole "Break Up Buddy" situation. It kinda just felt like a one and done thing similar to Marco kissing Star, it kinda happened and was glossed over. Kellco didn't really have any sort of depth to it barring when it first started at the end of "Kelly's World". I wish Kellco would've gone deeper but instead it was glossed over, maybe just to appease Kellco fans.   

- [UPDATE: 4/28/19] Even though I have Beach Day in the "Good" I'm still in confusion as in to the actual purpose of having the picture in the first place. It didn't seem like it was very important except as a setup for Father Time to reveal that there is worse to come. Maybe there is still more important things to come in regards to Beach Day? I doubt it but you never know.

CONCLUSION

So far I am enjoying the new season of SVTFOE and have generally been satisfied with the quality that they have come out to be. It brings back the same formula of light hearted humour while also adding more plot heavy details that bring mystery and intrigue. It also builds upon some of the ideas brought over from Season 3 such as Eclipsa's rule over Mewni and relationship drama. Overall, the episodes have kept me wanting to know more about what will happen next, whether its a breakthrough in the acceptance of Eclipsa as Queen or a mind boggling plot twist that can change the dynamic between our main characters. Overall, I would give this season almost a similar rating to that of Season 3, mostly because Season 4 is yet to be conlcuded. 

[UPDATE: 4/23/19] I apologize for not updating this post as soon as I wanted to, I haven't been caught up until recently. Anyways, I will continue to try to keep posting until the end of the season and then maybe I'll do an overall recap of the season maybe as an extention to this post. Also, after the season is over, I might do some mega-thread recapping the general events of each season by episode as well as any pros and cons for EACH EPISODE, so I'm excited to do that if I ever get the time. That being said, I'll try to post as soon as I can after the next episodes premiere.

[UPDATE: 4/28/19] HOLY CRAP this week's episodes have been very plot driven and have changed the entire dynamic of the show. This week's update should be very significant compared to the last time I updated it. There were a lot of positives this week and I was so glad to see how impactful these episodes have been, especially because things seem to have been slowing down in Mewni especially after "Coronation". 

(If you've read this far, thank you for taking the time to read this kinda lengthy post. If you think I missed anything or disagree with anything I will be more than happy to discuss it with you. I will try to respond as soon as I can to each of your opinions. This was meant to kinda cover more of the general positives and negatives of the season as a whole and not exclusively focused on one particular event)

Two new promos for the upcoming season just came out (can be viewed on the wiki front page or in the comments of the season 4 page) and man oh man are they exciting. What’re everyone’s thoughts?

Here are mine: 1. Star and Marco are going to travel to an ice/darkness dimension and battle both ghosts and a warrior woman dressed like a barbarian. She wields an axe and rides what looks like a lion made of fire. Marco seems to be in his adult form for the entire adventure so I guess it takes place in Hekapoo’s dimension?

2. Star and Tom go walking on what looks like a beach? I hope Star comes clean to Tom early on in the season. Though it looks like the duo will get attacked by someone and Star will protect them with a magic shield. So maybe the confession comes later. This episode is probably Swim Suit or Lake House Fever.

3. Eclipsa may be queen, but we’re still gonna see Star dress up in her fancy princess dress crown and all. And while she’s off dressed like that, Marco will be watching Meteora. Hijinks are coming.

4. It was only for a second, but I saw one of Star’s Narwhals blasting what looks like a person in Butterfly mode? Maybe Eclipsa achieves the transformation and then battles Star at the end of the season?

5. Star and Marco dancing together at the Blood Moon ball. I can’t tell if this is a flashback or not. My gut says it isn’t. So maybe it’s a vision they see while learning of the secrets of the Blood Moon?

Ok, so the titles for sea4 were FINALLY released and I just wanted to collect some first thoughts out of you guys.

Titles + My Thoughts

"Butterfly Follies"- Most likely from the preview seen at the NYCC. Maybe Star and River have to start showing their worthy of everyone's respect somehow...

"Escape From the Pie Folk"- Uh, all I think about the place where apparently Star's gonna "work" at

"Moon Remembers"- Well...Moon remembers.

"Swim Suit"- Uuuuuuuh *million really wierd thoughts cross my mind*

"Ramsongram"- I think the definition (or app, something like that) has to do with sending pics. I got no thoughts tho..

"Lake House Fever"- Heheheheeeee....FEELS

"Yada Yada Berries"- I have absolutely no idea.

"Down by the River"- Um, something tells me this might have something to do with Earth

"The Ponyhead Show!"- Ponyhead filler.

"Surviving the Spiderbites"- Spiderbite Kingdom and we meet Penelope

"Out of Business"- Maybe something goes wrong with the Kingdom or there's no work for Star...

"Kelly's World"- Kelly's world.

"Curse of the Blood Moon"- STAAAARRCOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! (Or a tease)

Confirmed by Daron Nefcy and TVLine today:

• Season 4 will premiere on both Disney Channel and Disney XD Sunday, March 10, 2019 with back-to-back episodes
• New episodes will premiere every following Sunday with two episodes per week
• Season 4 will be the final season

March 2019 titles:

• "Butterfly Follies" (3/10)
• "Escape from the Pie Folk" (3/10)
• "Moon Remembers" (3/17)
• "Swim Suit" (3/17)
• "Ransomgram" (3/17)
• "Lake House Fever" (3/17)
• "Yada Yada Berries" (3/24)
• "Down by the River" (3/24)
• "The Ponyhead Show!" (3/24)
• "Surviving the Spiderbites" (3/24)
• "Out of Business" (3/31)
• "Kelly's World" (3/31)
• "Curse of the Blood Moon" (3/31)

A. STAR

B. JACKIE

C. TOM

D. NOBODY

E. PONYHEAD