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  • Did you watch season 3 episode 29 "Butterfly Trap"? Share your thoughts here.

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    • That was heartbreaking to watch but also interesting because that means that Star didn't inherit her power from Eclipsa that's all her. And she's still important because Star still recreated the realm of magic and she's still able to access her Mewberty form at a young age meaning she must have some kind of destiny.

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    • If Festivia was just a commoner, does it mean that anyone who uses the wand long enough can get cheek marks or do all mewmen have but they don't have enough magic to make them visible?

      And how come Star and Moon have had their marks since the birth if they aren't from Eclipsa's line? Has the wand or Glossy changed their family lines' genetic make up somehow?

      Why Eclipsa even married her ex-husband? Could Star's line be Butterflies through some other relative like through Festivia marrying Eclipsa's cousin or something? Why didn't we realise sooner that Festivia is the only one who hasn't sky related name, making her obvious odd one among the Queens?

      Why didn't they tell us Eclipsa's monster husband's name?!

      So many questions! O.O

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    • Maybe Festivia absorbed so much magic that the extra magic was passed down to her children and their children and so on and that resulted in their cheek marks from birth

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    • It seems to be the case as a few butterfly families have the cheeks and so the wank just helped the cheek marks like people are saying. I wonder with Eclipsa free what does this mean for menwi? Meteora it still out there so will she get the throne? I mean the best guess is their husbands are the royal ones.

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    • Eclipsa might try to get Meteora onto the throne, Star will help, Moon's trust in the High Commision is broken so she'll likely help. But they'll probably find that Meteora is too mentally unfit for the throne

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    • I'm impressed, honestly didn't think the show would make Star and her mother illegitimate.

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    • DianaofParadiseIsland wrote: It seems to be the case as a few butterfly families have the cheeks and so the wank just helped the cheek marks like people are saying. I wonder with Eclipsa free what does this mean for menwi? Meteora it still out there so will she get the throne? I mean the best guess is their husbands are the royal ones.

      Festivia Is Technically Royalty, Via Adoption. I Feel Like Star Will Help Eclipsa Reclaim The Throne Tho. Maybe She'll Give The Wand Back To Eclipsa, Or Maybe Even To Meteora. My Fan Theory Was Proven Correct That Festivia Was Adopted By Shastican, And Swapped Meteora Out For Her.

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    • Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      Eclipsa might try to get Meteora onto the throne, Star will help, Moon's trust in the High Commision is broken so she'll likely help. But they'll probably find that Meteora is too mentally unfit for the throne

      Honestly, Star's family has ruled Mewni around 300 years by now, and since it's impossible to know how long the "true" Butterfly family ruled before Eclipsa's punishment, in theory the "current/fake" Butterfly family might have been on the throne longer than the "true" family. And even if this isn't the case, the mewmen might not want Eclipsa's line to return, especially since many of them still hate monsters.

      On the side note. Do you think Toffee knew about Meteora? It could have been possible that he was trying to revenge what had happened to Eclipsa and her daughter or (if he knew Meteora was still alive) tried to overthrow the "false" rulers so the "rightful heir" could return. After all, to monsters the half-monster ruler of the kingdom (queendom?) would be the best thing ever.

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    • This was a surprising episode. The High Commission being part of the conspiracy, placing a peasant girl on the throne, and keeping it a secret for all this time, was horrible. And they think Eclipsa's a bad person.

      Now Star has to live with the knowledge that she and her mother are not true royals. Who knows where this revelation will lead her?

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    • In spite of the conclusion, the build-up was completely underwhelming. The trial could've been much more exciting, but in the end it was quite bland.

      As to where things are headed now. I don't think Eclipsa will try to claim the throne. For the moment, since Eclipsa was forced to abdicate/ ran away and eloped, none of her relatives are rightful heirs anymore, so that is out of the question. Most likely, there will be a ton of tension between the MHC and the royal family, with a twist in the end, akin to that of season two.

      And I wonder if Star told Eclipsa that her daughter is alive and well, albeit estranged. Maybe that would ease of the pain of 300 years of encasing, then some unfair imprisoning and what-else the poor Eclipsa had gone through.

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    • Granaatti wrote:

      Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      Eclipsa might try to get Meteora onto the throne, Star will help, Moon's trust in the High Commision is broken so she'll likely help. But they'll probably find that Meteora is too mentally unfit for the throne

      Honestly, Star's family has ruled Mewni around 300 years by now, and since it's impossible to know how long the "true" Butterfly family ruled before Eclipsa's punishment, in theory the "current/fake" Butterfly family might have been on the throne longer than the "true" family. And even if this isn't the case, the mewmen might not want Eclipsa's line to return, especially since many of them still hate monsters.

      On the side note. Do you think Toffee knew about Meteora? It could have been possible that he was trying to revenge what had happened to Eclipsa and her daughter or (if he knew Meteora was still alive) tried to overthrow the "false" rulers so the "rightful heir" could return. After all, to monsters the half-monster ruler of the kingdom (queendom?) would be the best thing ever.

      I agree with you about Toffee. After Meteora was swapped, who raised her? And how did she live for 300-something years?

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    • Warning crackpot theory alert!!!!

      What if Meteora or a child of her own somehow ended up on Earth, temporarily for Meteora, and had a child with a human. Now imagine that this theoretical bloodline are Marco's ancestors, therefore making Marco the last descendant of the true Butterfly family. Boom! There's one potential Season 3 plot twist. Bit in all honesty highly unlikely.

      Also was Marco getting cheekmarks foreshadowing the fact that Festivia wasn't actually Eclipsa's daughter or even a true Butterfly at all.

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    • Right now, our biggest concern is Star. This whole thing has left her with an emotional shock I'm sure most kids who are adopted go through. Let's hope something comes up that will help her through this emotional identity crisis.

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    • i think now that eclipsa's ex husband ordered to crystalize her just to get revenge that she cheated on him and declared the war against monsters to promote his hatred to eclipsa

      as for ludo, he is still delusional, at first when he took over mewni and the multiverse he was lying to himself of being a great king which is what toffee needed to get his plan of revenge using him as a puppet to have moon's and star's attention, after seeing that he was just toffee's puppet ludo lost it and is now lying to himself that he has a loving family that actually care of him, ludo might still want to conquer mewni again but by his own without being someone else's tool

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    • Wow That Very Sad It make Heartbroken So This episode is Worst Than Trickstar From SVTFOE Season 2 And Ponyville Confidential From MLP

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    • But Star and Young Queen Moon share resemblances to the previous queens before Eclipsa. That can't just be coincidences, can it? What do you guys think about it? I theory is that they still have some blood connection somehow.

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    • XPxgames wrote:
      But Star and Young Queen Moon share resemblances to the previous queens before Eclipsa. That can't just be coincidences, can it? What do you guys think about it? I theory is that they still have some blood connection somehow.

      Well, there are couple possibilities.

      One is that since we don't really know the correct order in which the Queens have ruled, everyone we know, expect Eclipsa, are from Festivia's line.

      The second possibility is that Festivia was chosen as replacement for Meteora because she (or one/both of her parent's) looked like Eclipsa, therefore making it easier for people to believe she was a true Butterfly instead of adopted.

      The third possibility I can think of is that at some point someone from Festivia's line (probably Festivia herself since it's easy to believe that Eclipsa's ex would try strenghten Festivia's right on the throne in case someone would find out the truth) married a close relative of Eclipsa, like nephew or cousin or something like that, meaning Star and Moon are part of the Butterfly family, but not from the direct line.

      Or maybe Festivia's line married someone from same noble house as Eclipsa's family before them, giving them same genes without making them part of Butterfly line. After all, there can only be so many noble/royal families in Mewni.

      And then there is always the coincidence card.

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    • Festivia the Fraud

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    • I cannot tell you how heartbroken I was to hear Star say, "We're nobody." But you know a cartoon is good when it tackles issues like family drama, racism, and corruption within a society. I'm pretty sure Eclipsa was found not guilty after that trial since the MHC was CLEARLY judging her unfairly. And since Moon and Star's royalty is being called into question, and Eclipsa was still queen when she was crystallized, maybe she'll take up the throne again. I'm pretty sure she'll run things FAIRLY and actually do something about the relationship between Mewmans and Monsters.


      And this might be a stretch, but I think Eclipsa, Moon, and Star really are related. The memory eraser spell Eclipsa taught Moon in "Total Eclipsa the Moon" seemed too important to only be used on poor Sean. It's possible that Eclipsa actually DID have a child with her Mewman husband, King Shastacan without his knowledge, but because she had fallen in love with a monster, she couldn't bare to keep her Mewman daughter. Not just because she couldn't bare to keep a child that belonged to her ex-husband whom she didn't love, but also because Shastacan wouldn't be capable of offering genuine love to her. So she gave her Mewman daughter away to a peasant family then erased the memory of ever having her with her wand (since she said she never learned how to use magic without the wand) out of guilt for giving her away. Then in a twist of fate, that same daughter is traded with Meteora to become the next queen of Mewni. It's also worth noting that Festivia's name is the only known one in the Butterfly family that doesn't follow the astral naming theme (star, moon, comet, eclipse, meteor, etc.). That could be the name the peasant family who adopted her picked.

      I know it's a stretch, but this show has been pulling a LOT of twists and secrets lately.

      Also, if you noticed in "Total Eclipsa the Moon" where Eclipsa is reading her scroll and it mentions "The daughter of Queen Eclipsa and King Shastacan" the only changed part was her daughter's name to "Festivia". I don't think the omitted name used to refer to Meteora, otherwise the name of Eclipsa's monster lover would have been mentioned instead of Shastacan's. I mean, wasn't it known within the Butterfly family that Eclipsa took a monster lover?

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    • So of the High Commission, we know that at least Omnitraxus, Hekapoo, and Rhombulus were hiding the truth about Meteora. I'm guessing that it's also very likely that, before his death, Lekmet was also hiding the truth. So with that said, how much do you think Glossaryck knew about this? It's been implied in past episodes that he might have been close with Eclipsa. Do you think he might talk about what happened if/when he is back to his old self?

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    • I think he might've known, Glossaryck usually seems to know what's going to happen and when. He said he saw his own death coming. Glossaryck is on his own side thus why he never told anyone, maybe to make sure it all led to this moment?

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    • I think that Eclipsa will try to manipulate Star and Moon to gain the throne for herself and Meteora and show her true colors. It also feels possible that she lied about her not able to perform wandless magic.

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    • Eric.tatemura wrote:
      i think now that eclipsa's ex husband ordered to crystalize her just to get revenge that she cheated on him and declared the war against monsters to promote his hatred to eclipsa

      as for ludo, he is still delusional, at first when he took over mewni and the multiverse he was lying to himself of being a great king which is what toffee needed to get his plan of revenge using him as a puppet to have moon's and star's attention, after seeing that he was just toffee's puppet ludo lost it and is now lying to himself that he has a loving family that actually care of him, ludo might still want to conquer mewni again but by his own without being someone else's tool

      the war actually came long before Eclipsa as there were already mewman's living on mewni and the war took place during colonization of the dimension's region. Also, i keep seeing people put Meteora as "the last pure-blooded member of the butterfly family". however, that is merely spectulation and doesn't seem plausible as, although those descended from Festivia are not related, there are possibly other members who are true Butterfly members within the kingdom.

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    • Tardisman14 wrote:
      So of the High Commission, we know that at least Omnitraxus, Hekapoo, and Rhombulus were hiding the truth about Meteora. I'm guessing that it's also very likely that, before his death, Lekmet was also hiding the truth. So with that said, how much do you think Glossaryck knew about this? It's been implied in past episodes that he might have been close with Eclipsa. Do you think he might talk about what happened if/when he is back to his old self?

      I think it'spossible he and Lekmet knew and were discouragingly disappointed in the Commission for such unscrupulousness, which explains Glosserick's strained relationship in the MHC. However, while Lekmet still worked with the council, he might have been burdened by the weight of such a heinous incident and tried to bottle it up before he died.

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    • After this situation with Eclipsa and her daughter i dont think that ordinary people and magical comm will accept Tom and Star as a couple and considering that Marco is a hero of Mewni

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    • Anythin to pust Starco right? Please give it a rest

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    • How do you think Pony Head got the box of truth in the sleepover episode? Is it like one of the merchandise from Quest buy? It has several settings and seemed like a toy...but Moon said that it is not for a game.

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    • Nacheldfan wrote:
      How do you think Pony Head got the box of truth in the sleepover episode? Is it like one of the merchandise from Quest buy? It has several settings and seemed like a toy...but Moon said that it is not for a game.

      Possibly, the same way she got her dimensional scissors from Hekapoo. She might have took them from either one of the Magical High Commission members.

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    • loved the ep so much

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    • This episode made me so sad. But at the same time, I'm proud of Star for doing the right things. Episode by episode, we have seen her grow more.

      However, I kept on wondering why Marco still has moon symbols on his cheeks when he used Star's Wand. And why Festivia has cheek symbols when she is just an orphan? AND WHY CAN'T ECLIPSA DO DEEP DOWN?

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    • i laughted so hard when the box asked the "who do you have a crush on" question XD

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    • It’s due to the magic in the wand. Festiva was introduced to it early. I mena I don’t think when they switched her she had the cheeks.

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    • Kman134 wrote:
      Eric.tatemura wrote:
      i think now that eclipsa's ex husband ordered to crystalize her just to get revenge that she cheated on him and declared the war against monsters to promote his hatred to eclipsa

      as for ludo, he is still delusional, at first when he took over mewni and the multiverse he was lying to himself of being a great king which is what toffee needed to get his plan of revenge using him as a puppet to have moon's and star's attention, after seeing that he was just toffee's puppet ludo lost it and is now lying to himself that he has a loving family that actually care of him, ludo might still want to conquer mewni again but by his own without being someone else's tool

      the war actually came long before Eclipsa as there were already mewman's living on mewni and the war took place during colonization of the dimension's region. Also, i keep seeing people put Meteora as "the last pure-blooded member of the butterfly family". however, that is merely spectulation and doesn't seem plausible as, although those descended from Festivia are not related, there are possibly other members who are true Butterfly members within the kingdom.

      Well, being that metora was abandoned because of her lineage, she would be the last pureblood. but the confusion is still there. who really is king shastucan? he must have hated monsters. but did he really love eclipsa? not enough to keep her daughter. it s odd. why did eclipsa marry him in the first place? was it forced marrige on her dad's part? her mom was killed by toffe. so maybe he wanted his daughter to stay in the royalty line. if so, it's not her fault she was miserable with him. she did not want to be with him. ( or, at least that's the theory)

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    • Princesspopcornbutterfly wrote:

      Kman134 wrote:
      Eric.tatemura wrote:
      i think now that eclipsa's ex husband ordered to crystalize her just to get revenge that she cheated on him and declared the war against monsters to promote his hatred to eclipsa

      as for ludo, he is still delusional, at first when he took over mewni and the multiverse he was lying to himself of being a great king which is what toffee needed to get his plan of revenge using him as a puppet to have moon's and star's attention, after seeing that he was just toffee's puppet ludo lost it and is now lying to himself that he has a loving family that actually care of him, ludo might still want to conquer mewni again but by his own without being someone else's tool

      the war actually came long before Eclipsa as there were already mewman's living on mewni and the war took place during colonization of the dimension's region. Also, i keep seeing people put Meteora as "the last pure-blooded member of the butterfly family". however, that is merely spectulation and doesn't seem plausible as, although those descended from Festivia are not related, there are possibly other members who are true Butterfly members within the kingdom.

      Well, being that metora was abandoned because of her lineage, she would be the last pureblood. but the confusion is still there. who really is king shastucan? he must have hated monsters. but did he really love eclipsa? not enough to keep her daughter. it s odd. why did eclipsa marry him in the first place? was it forced marrige on her dad's part? her mom was killed by toffe. so maybe he wanted his daughter to stay in the royalty line. if so, it's not her fault she was miserable with him. she did not want to be with him. ( or, at least that's the theory)

      It definitely was an arranged marriage.

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    • Tondeknoi wrote: sinced Bon Bon the Birthday Clown & Starcrushed.

      WHat did you think of what the High Commission did to Meteora?

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    • that star has not happy (crying/sadly or frustrated) on end of this episode.

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    • Tondeknoi wrote: that star has not happy (crying/sadly or frustrated) on end of this episode.

      I mean how did you feel when you heard what they did?

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    • KateButterfly wrote:

      Tondeknoi wrote: that star has not happy (crying/sadly or frustrated) on end of this episode.

      I mean how did you feel when you heard what they did?

      uhhh... star is bad mood that about for eclipsa.

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    • Tondeknoi wrote:

      KateButterfly wrote:

      Tondeknoi wrote: that star has not happy (crying/sadly or frustrated) on end of this episode.

      I mean how did you feel when you heard what they did?

      uhhh... star is bad mood that about for eclipsa.

      I meant what was your mood?

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    • KateButterfly wrote:

      Tondeknoi wrote:

      KateButterfly wrote:

      Tondeknoi wrote: that star has not happy (crying/sadly or frustrated) on end of this episode.

      I mean how did you feel when you heard what they did?

      uhhh... star is bad mood that about for eclipsa.

      I meant what was your mood?

      im frustrated.

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    • I still wonder why not have taken a baby from the relates of the butterfly family? It doesn't make sense for them to not stay within the family. A distance cousin would due

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    • DianaofParadiseIsland wrote:
      I still wonder why not have taken a baby from the relates of the butterfly family? It doesn't make sense for them to not stay within the family. A distance cousin would due

      I was hoping that Festivia would've been revealed as a relative to the Butterfly family. 

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    • Agreed. Unless for some reason Festivia was and it was a outcasted of the butterfly family.

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