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  • Now then, now that we watched the bone-chilling, finger-clutching Season 3 finale, who thinks when will Season 4? And we still got certain subjects to concern on like what is going to happen to Ludo, and now we got new ones, will Star find her mom? Will we see more of Earth (especially with Marco, Jr.)? And what will happen with Globgor? And as Melanie Daniels from The Birds would say, don't you think this is quite a pattern, each season finale becomes even more epic, like the first with the destruction of the wand, the second with Toffee returning and Star leaving Earth and now the third with the castle destroyed, Queen Butterfly missing, Star giving the wand to Eclipsa, and now Globgor, appeared, what next? And turns out each season there's a big concern like with Toffee in 1, the Wand in 2 and then Eclipsa and Meteora in 3, what next?

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    • My concern is that trap door place from Conquer when the amnesiac Moon and Star tried to open it. Nobody would keep a dimension locked up unless it's to keep magic from flowing in or keep someone or something out. That well place could lead anywhere. The Monster Temple where Globgore is, the deeper chambers of St. O's or *gasps* Septarsis

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    • More dark spells 

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    • I also like to know Eclipsa's story and see some laser-guided karma for Shastacan

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    • Seems the show actually want us to see this. The wand's magic. At first season they want to let us see how is Star's magic with the wand. In season 2 they want us to see what happen if Ludo have his own wand amd how strong he is. And now in season 3, Star become more powerful in magic and more dark magic. And in season 4, we will see how is Eclipsa's magic

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    • I'm just hoping that we see the return of Monster Arm and possibly evil Marco

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    • Sitdownvegan wrote:
      I'm just hoping that we see the return of Monster Arm and possibly evil Marco

      Yeah I wanna see Monster Arm and "evil" Marco too!  

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    • There is not gonna be the Moster Arm or Evil Marco because Starco is in season 4

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    • I want to se Globgore and whether he is good and truly loves Eclipsa, or if he will be the new antagonist and is possibly using Eclipsa for some ulterior motive because we don't really know much about him or how, and why, Eclipsa fell for him.

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    • I have a feeling they put Mina to the side this finale so she can be a bigger threat in season 4. At least I hope that's the case because she was defeated way too easily.

      I'm still skeptical about Eclipsa. Things worked out suspiciously well for her in the end. I have a feeling Nefcy may be misleading us with how kind she is to the butterflies, especially after she left Moon stuck for so long in "Total Eclipsa the Moon".

      Additionally, I think Toffee will come back at some point. His last words were "You think you've won? Ha! You don't make the plans! I do! Me! Only I know how this all turns out!" after all.

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    • Voxorin wrote: I have a feeling they put Mina to the side this finale so she can be a bigger threat in season 4. At least I hope that's the case because she was defeated way too easily.

      I'm still skeptical about Eclipsa. Things worked out suspiciously well for her in the end. I have a feeling Nefcy may be misleading us with how kind she is to the butterflies, especially after she left Moon stuck for so long in "Total Eclipsa the Moon".

      Additionally, I think Toffee will come back at some point. His last words were "You think you've won? Ha! You don't make the plans! I do! Me! Only I know how this all turns out!" after all.

      I'm with you on all counts. Mina is still going to hunt the monsters down, and she could put Buff Frog in danger.

      From what I learned in the show, things are not always what they seem. Globgore may seem evil, but I think after he hears what Star did for her and her daughter, he will be as nice as Buff Frog.

      Toffee should come back. He planned all this out. It's almost as if he knew about Eclipsa and her family. Besides, if we got a background story for Meteora, we may get one about Toffee.

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    • KateButterfly wrote:

      Voxorin wrote: I have a feeling they put Mina to the side this finale so she can be a bigger threat in season 4. At least I hope that's the case because she was defeated way too easily.

      I'm still skeptical about Eclipsa. Things worked out suspiciously well for her in the end. I have a feeling Nefcy may be misleading us with how kind she is to the butterflies, especially after she left Moon stuck for so long in "Total Eclipsa the Moon".

      Additionally, I think Toffee will come back at some point. His last words were "You think you've won? Ha! You don't make the plans! I do! Me! Only I know how this all turns out!" after all.

      I'm with you on all counts. Mina is still going to hunt the monsters down, and she could put Buff Frog in danger.

      From what I learned in the show, things are not always what they seem. Globgore may seem evil, but I think after he hears what Star did for her and her daughter, he will be as nice as Buff Frog.

      Toffee should come back. He planned all this out. It's almost as if he knew about Eclipsa and her family. Besides, if we got a background story for Meteora, we may get one about Toffee.

      That was my other concern as well, what will happen to Buff Frog and the other Monsters and where did they go? Maybe Star will see them again when she goes out to find her mom.

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    • I do want Toffee back but currently I feel like we need a Mewman Antagonist which is why I think Mina will be a threat later. The other big bads have been the monster Toffee and half-monster Meteora so if only monsters are the threat it might leave the implication that the predjudice towards monsters is justified as they are the only ones who are threats. I hope Tom doesn’t disappear for a while if this finale and Marco’s confession leads to a breakup: while I want Starco, Tom and Star’s relationship was adorable and I think it really helped Tom’s character development. If this had been season 1 or 2 Tom would have gone insane with rage over hearing that Marco and Star kissed, even in the face of the danger they were currently in. Also I think the trio are just a really good combination together and we need more of them facing problems together. In regards to Ludo, he clearly has some issues to work out and I don’t think it will be anytime soon, but I feel like the endgame will have him reformed if not all the way: he was raised by abusive parents, he cares for his brother and he has been a pawn in Toffee’s entire scheme so we’ve had plenty of evidence that he is not truly evil but to me he just seems to be acting out, maybe even trying to prove his family wrong. It would be nice to see him making amends for how he treated his old monster army, we know a few of them left with Buff Frog, so it would be interesting if he found them or they went to the dimension where he currently is. With Eclipsa yes it feels like things went well for her again i don’t think she will be evil as that would just prove the commission right and if people don’t act the way they expect then they must be evil. I don’t think Eclipsa wanted to be queen, she has her daughter back and is currently in the process of freeing her husband and I think that’s all she wanted. Maybe Globgor could be a temporary problem in the same way Ludo was an issue in season 1 and 2 who eventually became just a problem when faced with the real threat of the antagonist which was Toffee. I’m not even sure about what to say in regard to Moon. Assuming they were sent back to the place where they were when they first entered the magic realm, as Star was returned to her bedroom, maybe she is in the clearing where she battled Meteora. There is the possibility that maybe she was in the magic realm so long she has forgotten who she is in which case maybe she’s rather close to home, but can’t remember who she is. Otherwise I can’t imagine where she might be other than the dimension with the sealed off well. Just a quick question: does season 4 at least start in 2018 or do we have to wait til 2019 for it?

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    • Voxorin wrote:
      I have a feeling they put Mina to the side this finale so she can be a bigger threat in season 4. At least I hope that's the case because she was defeated way too easily.

      I'm still skeptical about Eclipsa. Things worked out suspiciously well for her in the end. I have a feeling Nefcy may be misleading us with how kind she is to the butterflies, especially after she left Moon stuck for so long in "Total Eclipsa the Moon".

      Additionally, I think Toffee will come back at some point. His last words were "You think you've won? Ha! You don't make the plans! I do! Me! Only I know how this all turns out!" after all.

      About Mina: I just want to find out what the heck she is, where she came from. Im thinking that one of the Queens made her from magic...b/c I heard (somewhere anyway) she was created to be the perfect warrior. Dont know if that literally or not ...but I bet it might say something in the new book that comes out. I have a feeling it might not be any of the Queens we've seen so far in the show that made her (so shes probably really old) ..so thats why I think her origins or at least a hint might be in the book. If not, I still just want to know where she came from .....b/c she definitely is not a normal person. I also want to know what made her so freakin crazy. 

      Im still thinking Eclipsa is not even close to an "evil" alignment. If anything, shes neutral...more or less only interested in her and her families own interests. And really do you blame her...look at the Butterfly-Johansons or any of their allies ....none of them what I would call saints either. Rich Pigeon's family basically just slaughtered a former country to conquer it, The Ponyheads are a family of sociopaths ...the rest of  them have issues too. What Im basically saying here...there is no black and white in this show....just an endless spectrum of grey. This why when ppl say .."what if Star becomes evil?" Im like ...." uhhh, ...are u sure were not already there yet? XD"...what if the show did start out from the perspective of the "bad guys" all along. Maybe thats why Star has devil horns? lol.....JK, but, really its just a matter of perspective. ;)

      And finally Toffee's final words (although I dont think hes dead). Yeah, that was definetly one of those moments where youre just like .........tf just happened? The only thing I can think of is hes either found some way to communicate with selves on different timelines (like in Mathmagic) w/o Omnipraxis finding out...like maybe they can tell him what works and what wont.....or he went to the TVs where the linear Father Time guy lives and spent like 100 years watching them. Or maybe he just wanted to troll them....lol. Other than that, probably something the show hasnt introduced that will blow our minds... 

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    • If Gloss doesn't come back, Star will probably find a new teacher to train her in wandless magic. Could be Baby or an entirely new character.

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    • I think Eclipsa still have some concerns to Mewni. If she is evil and wanted Meteora as her puppet to rule the kingdom, she should have side with Meteora and let Meteora rule the kingdom in Divide and Conquer even that means the destruction of Mewni. She even tearfully sacrificed her own daughter for the safety of Mewni and said that its a thing that she need to do.

      For the wand, I think she was desperate so she give back the wand because she think there is no more thing to do with Meteora died. When she founds out that Meteora still alive and reverted to baby, she happy and she accept Star's offer to take the wand and left to reunite with Globgor

      In this point, I can say Eclipsa is not really evil. Just wanted to do anything that she think for the best and needs to be done.

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    • I don't know if anyone wrote it already in here, but Moon had a few minor mistakes in the spell (Because of this it probably didn't work or caused something that is not intended). When she was young she said:

      "I call the darknes unto me
      From deepest depths of earth and sea.
      From ancient evils unawoken
      Break the on that can't be broken. To blackest night I pledge my soul
      And crush my heart to burning coal.
      To summon forth the deathly power
      To see my hated fow devoured."
      (She might've said deadly, but it sounds more like deathly with that accent)

      When she was older she said:

      "I call the darkness unto me
      From deepest depths of earth and sea.
      From Ancient evils unawoken
      Break the on who can't be broken. From blackest night I pledge my soul
      And crush my heart to burning coal.
      To summon forth the deadly power
      To see my hated fow devoured."

      The question for me is: Was it merely a mistake from Moon to say "from" instead of "to" or didn't she have a soul to pledge anymore? Does that spell really exchange the soul for the power to destroy someone immortal? And than if it does, has Moon now a darkened soul that she got from the "blackest night" because of the second spell? Will Moon turn evil because of it? (That she attacked Meteora just like that seemed a bit too reckless for the Moon I knew, but I didn't watch every episode so I might be mistaken. But would the former Moon really just kill someone?) Maybe Moon will become a new villain in the next season after we learn what will happen when Globgor is freed by Eclipsa. Will the tables turn and Eclipsa, (Meteora) and Globgor join the good side while Moon, and the magical high commission (Who are obviously descriminating monsters) will be the "evil" side? Eclipsa didn't seem evil to me, her magic might not be the purest kind, but maybe something happened that forced her to use this type of magic? We know that both, Eclipsa dn Star, are very powerful members of the reigning families, so maybe Eclipsa had to use a dark spell to protect the kingdom? (Maybe Septarian attacked Mewni when she was queen as well? Maybe that is how she knows that the darkest Spell can kill someone immortal?")

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    • Mick's got a list baby!

      1.) Marco's monster arm and magic vacuum...seriously what happened to either of those things? Especially monster arm seeing as the show has implied Marco having a dark side multiple times.

      2.) More Ferguson and Alphonso. I do NOT know why they wrote them out, and everyone's confused by it.

      3.) Star to go the WHOLE season without her wand, using wandless magic to KICK bad guy butt! SPEAKING OF-

      4.) Star to fight more bad guys! Remember in season 1 when she'd fight Ludo's army like EVERY week? Now she barely fights anyone anymore.

      5.)I know the character continues to pull Karma Houdinis left and right, but I RELLY want Glossaryck to receive punishment for the awful things he's done. The man has indirectly lead to the death of Lekmet, the freedom of Eclipsa, her regaining the wand to free HER husband(whether this is good or bad is up in the air), and Moon being banished to the realm of magic, where she was then warped to globgor know's where. I know this fandom is key to blaming Marco for everything, but how about the magical immortal who just sits in the back and does nothing productive?

      6.) I want Tomstar to end GRACE-fully. I do not hate Tom, in fact he's developed into this show's Zuko quite well...but I still don't see Tomstar lasting, and I never will. What I'd love though, is after the break up, they all stay friends afterwards and he continues to be a recurring character. I also wan to emphasize, I am NOT ship-bashing, if you ship Tomstar your beautiful, I just don't think from a story stand-point that they were meant to last. 

      7.) Eclipsa to not be evil. I feel that's a long shot typing that, given that her entire plan was to get the wand and ressurect her monster husband, but she never seemed that malicious. If anything it only looked like she was trying to get her husband and daughter back, albeit through generally nefarious means. SPEAKING OF METEORA-I want her and Marco Jr to go on a playdate. That would be adorable.

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    • @Yoshimickster In regards to Ferguson and Alphonso, Daron admitted that they were never meant to be a part of the show and that she doesn't really know what to do with them, so she mostly ignored their existence. The only reason they exist is because Disney executives made it a requirement that Marco have male friends.

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    • Side01Winder01 wrote:
      @Yoshimickster In regards to Ferguson and Alphonso, Daron admitted that they were never meant to be a part of the show and that she doesn't really know what to do with them, so she mostly ignored their existence. The only reason they exist is because Disney executives made it a requirement that Marco have male friends.

      ...okay wow, that explains everything. If I was forced to write in two characters by the newtork I'd probably hate them too.

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    • @Yoshi Yup. It also explains why they are mostly featured in the first season. Once the show gained popularity and scored a second season, the executives probably gave Daron some leeway in terms of ignoring their existence.

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    • Yoshimickster wrote:
      Side01Winder01 wrote:
      @Yoshimickster In regards to Ferguson and Alphonso, Daron admitted that they were never meant to be a part of the show and that she doesn't really know what to do with them, so she mostly ignored their existence. The only reason they exist is because Disney executives made it a requirement that Marco have male friends.
      ...okay wow, that explains everything. If I was forced to write in two characters by the newtork I'd probably hate them too.

      But Marco would have had friends before meeting Star. So I can see why the Disney executives would want Daron to create some friends for him. 

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    • @Shadowbeast Daron made it seem like Disney was more concerned with the gender aspect.

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    • Honestly he could've just had Janna as a friend.

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    • Side01Winder01- Maybe, but Daron's concern seems to be having to make Marco some pre-Star friends as well. It's not like Star had any males before meeting Marco either.  Marco should have a friend or two before meeting Star, like Star having Ponyhead as her friend before meeting Marco.

      Yoshimickster- Janna is more of an annoyance to Marco and creeps him out. Marco's friend/s should be someone that gets along with him, not tormet him. 

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    • ShadowBeast wrote:

      Yoshimickster- Janna is more of an annoyance to Marco and creeps him out. Marco's friend/s should be someone that gets along with him, not tormet him. 

      AH-but wouldn't that make his relationship to Star ever the more poigant? Also we'd have more Janna episodes in season 2, which would've made WAY more sense seeing as how she was meant to be more of a character than Alfonso and Ferguson.

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    • Does anyone else hope to see Toffee again? I feel like he made an execllent Villain and he is still shrouded in much mystery. I never got his end goal. It was not to have the wand or to rule Mewny, so there is still so much to explore about him. At one point I thought he was Eclipsa's montser husband, but that proved false. hehehe

      I'm thinking Globgor and Eclipsa will create a new monster kingdom (with the exiled monsters) and rule it and the whole season will be about Star trying to make peace with this new kingdom.

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    • Yoshimickster- Sorry but that's just terrible. I like Janna, but having her as Marco's before-Star-friend just to have more Janna would feel forced. Besides, a much better idea for Janna would be focus on her friendship with Star. It would lead to far better episodes than the ones with Star and Ponyhead. Janna seems to have been meant to look like another love interest for Marco, but was just a tease from Daron, which was funny. As little as Alfonso and Ferguson were used, they still fitted better as marco's friends considering how Marco was in the first season.

      RuthieA- I think we all hope for a Toffee return. Daron described him as a Magneto-type villain, but we have yet to see that.

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    • What I'm curious about Season 4 is the throne. Star legit gave Eclipsa the wand, saying that her first duty as queen was to give back what was rightfully Eclipsa's (or something like that) First of all, what's going to happen to the throne? Every queen has kept their wand till they had a daughter and gave the wand to them, as a sign of the next  queen in line to the throne. But, this is all "backwards" since Star gave the wand to Eclipsa. Is Eclipsa now the Queen of Mewni because she owns the wand now?

      Even if Eclipsa is the queen of mewni, is she actually going to stay on mewni/rule the throne? At the end of Conquer, it shows Eclipsa, after she gets the wand, running back to her husband, Globgor. Another thing just came into my mind, Glossaryck straight up left star after explaining that Eclipsa's husband's name was Globgor, and made a parasol (which looked like a mini version of Eclipsa's wand form) and went Mary Poppins/Eclipsa style away from the castle, seemingly to go after Eclipsa. Glossaryck technically stays with whoever has the wand (For example, ludo).

      Another thing, what happended to Moon? And Mina? After the unicorn in the magic realm made Moon disappaer from the realm supposedly, we don't know where she went. And after Meteora was defeated, we never got to see Moon, River, or Mina back on the screen. In my opinion, Mina as the main villain would e a perfect plot for season 4. I'm kinda opposed to Toffee coming back, since we already had a season(s) about him. What would be cool though would Toffee somehow finding a way to communicate through Mina, as well as controlling her. Mina would be influenced not only by Toffee, but her strong feelings/emotions. We've all seen that she can get pretty hard mood swings, and that could only influence her more if she does become a villain.

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    • @Shadowbeast

      Hey now I wouldn't say terrible, but I will admit its murky. I feel it works though as if we were to take Alphonso and Ferguson out of the equation, Marco would have only HALF-friends, friends he'd only hang out with at school and all the other foreign exchange students his family has housed. Janna in her constant antagonism, would be pretty much the closest thing Marco had to a full-friend outside of Jackie. It gives Marco a half-loneliness to his character, possibly having him realize what it means to have a full friendship and truly expand as a person.

      BUT-that's just my opinion, keep being amazing!

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    • Eclipsa is not Queen of Mewni. It's been confirmed that Star will continue to rule Mewni in season 4.

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    • Yoshimickster wrote:
      @Shadowbeast

      Hey now I wouldn't say terrible, but I will admit its murky. I feel it works though as if we were to take Alphonso and Ferguson out of the equation, Marco would have only HALF-friends, friends he'd only hang out with at school and all the other foreign exchange students his family has housed. Janna in her constant antagonism, would be pretty much the closest thing Marco had to a full-friend outside of Jackie. It gives Marco a half-loneliness to his character, possibly having him realize what it means to have a full friendship and truly expand as a person.

      BUT-that's just my opinion, keep being amazing!

      But all Janna does is annoy and harass Marco. I just can't see her being Marco's friend without Star around. Alphonzo and Ferguson, fans can dislike them all they want, but they fitted as Marco's friends.

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    • Here's what I hope to see in Season 4: -Marco Jr. making an appearance

      -Globgore returning and turning out to be a nice monster

      -He and Eclipsa getting a backstory along with Toffee and Rasticore.

      -More on that locked world Moon and Star tried to open in Conquer

      -Glossaryck confronting the Magic High Commission about their lie

      -Rhombulus trying to find Moon in order to make it up to Star for lying

      -Marco and Higgs working together on something as part of their squire training.

      -More backstory on Janna and her fascination with the occult

      -Toffee returning with an army of Septarians

      -Mina attacking the monsters

      -Buff Frog and his tadpoles return

      -Monsters and Mewmans working together.

      -Star as a queen.

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    • ShadowBeast wrote:

      But all Janna does is annoy and harass Marco. I just can't see her being Marco's friend without Star around. Alphonzo and Ferguson, fans can dislike them all they want, but they fitted as Marco's friends.

      Its part of the black spade quadrant of relationships, where someone annoys you a LOT, but has enough good qualities that you still hang around them. 

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    • RuthieA wrote:
      Does anyone else hope to see Toffee again? I feel like he made an execllent Villain and he is still shrouded in much mystery. I never got his end goal. It was not to have the wand or to rule Mewny, so there is still so much to explore about him. At one point I thought he was Eclipsa's montser husband, but that proved false. hehehe

      Yep....you are in the best of company when it comes to that aspect believe me. Which I have much faith that you, I , and alot of other ppl on here (theyre around you'll see them) will get what we want in S4. Why? Well, its creative suicide for the show in general...to just kill off a character that good, w/o any kind of explaination.  And no, Im not just saying that either b/c Im extreamly bias...I love to watch cartoon critics, reviewers, roasters, ect....and every time Ive seen the show reviewed by someone who sees the show as just another show....they always say hes one of the best characters on there. Im not kidding. 

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    • Scorpangirl wrote:
      Here's what I hope to see in Season 4: -Marco Jr. making an appearance

      -Globgore returning and turning out to be a nice monster

      -He and Eclipsa getting a backstory along with Toffee and Rasticore.

      -More on that locked world Moon and Star tried to open in Conquer

      -Glossaryck confronting the Magic High Commission about their lie

      -Rhombulus trying to find Moon in order to make it up to Star for lying

      -Marco and Higgs working together on something as part of their squire training.

      -More backstory on Janna and her fascination with the occult

      -Toffee returning with an army of Septarians

      -Mina attacking the monsters

      -Buff Frog and his tadpoles return

      -Monsters and Mewmans working together.

      -Star as a queen.

      Honestly, it seems like Glossaryck was in on the lie. He made the MHC and kept Globgor from Star and Marco and possibly Moon ALL this time by pretending that he was braindead. It's almost guarrenteed that he knew about these lies. I mean, he was with every queen; it wouldn't make sense for him to be completely in the dark about what the MHC were doing. 

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    • Yoshimickster wrote:
      ShadowBeast wrote:

      But all Janna does is annoy and harass Marco. I just can't see her being Marco's friend without Star around. Alphonzo and Ferguson, fans can dislike them all they want, but they fitted as Marco's friends.

      Its part of the black spade quadrant of relationships, where someone annoys you a LOT, but has enough good qualities that you still hang around them. 

      But the only reason we see Janna and Marco hanging around is when Star is hanging with them. Plus Janna hasn't really shown Marco any of her good qualities.  I'm sorry, but Janna just fit as a good pre-Star friend for Marco.

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    • Agree to disagree, but whatevs.

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    • KateButterfly wrote:
      My concern is that trap door place from Conquer when the amnesiac Moon and Star tried to open it. Nobody would keep a dimension locked up unless it's to keep magic from flowing in or keep someone or something out. That well place could lead anywhere. The Monster Temple where Globgore is, the deeper chambers of St. O's or *gasps* Septarsis

      Well, it might not have been locked up at all. It may be like a sewage/manhole sort of system thing? Although you do make a point as the dimension Moon and Star found may be significant later. 

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    • Scorpangirl wrote:
      Here's what I hope to see in Season 4:

      -Marco Jr. making an appearance

      -Globgore returning and turning out to be a nice monster

      -He and Eclipsa getting a backstory along with Toffee and Rasticore.

      -More on that locked world Moon and Star tried to open in Conquer

      -Glossaryck confronting the Magic High Commission about their lie

      -Rhombulus trying to find Moon in order to make it up to Star for lying

      -Marco and Higgs working together on something as part of their squire training.

      -More backstory on Janna and her fascination with the occult

      -Toffee returning with an army of Septarians

      -Mina attacking the monsters

      -Buff Frog and his tadpoles return

      -Monsters and Mewmans working together.

      -Star as a queen.

      Speaking of Janna and Glossaryck, in the "Mewberty" episode in Season 1, Janna feeds Glossaryck pudding. She likely did this because she overheard Glossaryck saying that, outside of magical princesses, he will not give anyone information about anything unless pudding is involved. What I wonder is what information did Glossaryck give Janna, and can we see some sort of association between the two especially considering the occult-like nature of Eclipsa's magic? Also to add to your list: - Will Tom and Marco's relationship change after Marco told Tom he kissed Star? I'd love to see some tension between the two ​​​​- The fate of Moon - Ludo and his possible role as major or minor antagonist for Season 4 - MARCO JR  - More episodes based on Earth - Glossaryck and his role with Eclipsa and Co.  ​​​​​

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    • TheGiftedMongol wrote:
      Scorpangirl wrote:
      Here's what I hope to see in Season 4:

      -Marco Jr. making an appearance

      -Globgore returning and turning out to be a nice monster

      -He and Eclipsa getting a backstory along with Toffee and Rasticore.

      -More on that locked world Moon and Star tried to open in Conquer

      -Glossaryck confronting the Magic High Commission about their lie

      -Rhombulus trying to find Moon in order to make it up to Star for lying

      -Marco and Higgs working together on something as part of their squire training.

      -More backstory on Janna and her fascination with the occult

      -Toffee returning with an army of Septarians

      -Mina attacking the monsters

      -Buff Frog and his tadpoles return

      -Monsters and Mewmans working together.

      -Star as a queen.

      Speaking of Janna and Glossaryck, in the "Mewberty" episode in Season 1, Janna feeds Glossaryck pudding. She likely did this because she overheard Glossaryck saying that, outside of magical princesses, he will not give anyone information about anything unless pudding is involved. What I wonder is what information did Glossaryck give Janna, and can we see some sort of association between the two especially considering the occult-like nature of Eclipsa's magic?

      Also to add to your list: - Will Tom and Marco's relationship change after Marco told Tom he kissed Star? I'd love to see some tension between the two ​​​​- The fate of Moon - Ludo and his possible role as major or minor antagonist for Season 4 - MARCO JR  - More episodes based on Earth - Glossaryck and his role with Eclipsa and Co.  ​​​​​

      You might be on to something on Janna and Glossaryck, afterall, Janna did say Don't ask questions you don't want the answers to. And as for Marco and Tom on Star, after Conquer, it would be quite unlikely. And I do hope we see more Jackie, and know more about her.

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      Here's what I hope to see in Season 4:

      -Marco Jr. making an appearance

      -Globgore returning and turning out to be a nice monster

      -He and Eclipsa getting a backstory along with Toffee and Rasticore.

      -More on that locked world Moon and Star tried to open in Conquer

      -Glossaryck confronting the Magic High Commission about their lie

      -Rhombulus trying to find Moon in order to make it up to Star for lying

      -Marco and Higgs working together on something as part of their squire training.

      -More backstory on Janna and her fascination with the occult

      -Toffee returning with an army of Septarians

      -Mina attacking the monsters

      -Buff Frog and his tadpoles return

      -Monsters and Mewmans working together.

      -Star as a queen.

      Speaking of Janna and Glossaryck, in the "Mewberty" episode in Season 1, Janna feeds Glossaryck pudding. She likely did this because she overheard Glossaryck saying that, outside of magical princesses, he will not give anyone information about anything unless pudding is involved. What I wonder is what information did Glossaryck give Janna, and can we see some sort of association between the two especially considering the occult-like nature of Eclipsa's magic?

      Also to add to your list: - Will Tom and Marco's relationship change after Marco told Tom he kissed Star? I'd love to see some tension between the two ​​​​- The fate of Moon - Ludo and his possible role as major or minor antagonist for Season 4 - MARCO JR  - More episodes based on Earth - Glossaryck and his role with Eclipsa and Co.  ​​​​​

      You might be on to something on Janna and Glossaryck, afterall, Janna did say Don't ask questions you don't want the answers to. And as for Marco and Tom on Star, after Conquer, it would be quite unlikely. And I don't hope we see more Jackie, and know more about her.

      It kinda sucks that Janna and Glossaryck didn't interact more because I think they make a cool combo. Also, I think it's kinda 50/50 with the Tom vs Marco thing. I mean, it all depends whether or not the producers want for Tom and Marco to continue them being buds. I do think that there may be some sort of awkward tension somewhere in the next season, whether significant or not. I think it'll be good if Jackie shows up again but maybe only for an episode or two and no more. I wasn't too big a fan of Jackie but I think it would make for a decent filler episode. I won't lose any sleep if she doesn't show up though.  

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    • If there needs to be tension at all, it needs to be between Tom and Star. Ok yes Marco started the kiss, but Star is Tom’s girlfriend and should have been honest with him. I’d like there to be a sense of betrayal towards Marco, but they’re close friends and Tom might be grateful that Marco told him. Jackie has been disappointing: after the Bon Bon episode I thought she might be involved more but she hasn’t and then her send off was a sudden break up that seems rather disappointing considering how long it took Marco to develop the confidence to talk to her, admit his crush and get together with her. Janna is much more interesting but she hasn’t appeared as much as I expected and hoped she would considering she’s clearly important due to her presence in the season 3 intro. But it would be interesting to know what she and Glossaryck discussed Glossaryck is going to be the big bad in the end isn’t he, he just knows too much, I feel like we need more on how well he knows Toffee, he was just too familiar with the lizard considering how before Ludos possession by Toffee, there appears to be no interaction between the two. I want to know how they know each other. Considering how Glossaryck is seemingly all knowing just as Toffee claimed to know how everything would turn out, I wouldn’t be surprised now if they turn out to be collaborating. Considering Toffee appears to be immortal as Glossaryck clearly is, what if they knew each other centuries ago, maybe even around the time that the spell book was first made, that would really be interesting.

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    • GoldenStar597 wrote: If there needs to be tension at all, it needs to be between Tom and Star. Ok yes Marco started the kiss, but Star is Tom’s girlfriend and should have been honest with him. I’d like there to be a sense of betrayal towards Marco, but they’re close friends and Tom might be grateful that Marco told him. Jackie has been disappointing: after the Bon Bon episode I thought she might be involved more but she hasn’t and then her send off was a sudden break up that seems rather disappointing considering how long it took Marco to develop the confidence to talk to her, admit his crush and get together with her. Janna is much more interesting but she hasn’t appeared as much as I expected and hoped she would considering she’s clearly important due to her presence in the season 3 intro. But it would be interesting to know what she and Glossaryck discussed Glossaryck is going to be the big bad in the end isn’t he, he just knows too much, I feel like we need more on how well he knows Toffee, he was just too familiar with the lizard considering how before Ludos possession by Toffee, there appears to be no interaction between the two. I want to know how they know each other. Considering how Glossaryck is seemingly all knowing just as Toffee claimed to know how everything would turn out, I wouldn’t be surprised now if they turn out to be collaborating. Considering Toffee appears to be immortal as Glossaryck clearly is, what if they knew each other centuries ago, maybe even around the time that the spell book was first made, that would really be interesting.

      You might be right. It's not just Glossaryck; it's Eclipsa and her family. Have you noticed in his appearances, including Moon the Undaunted, he wore red and black clothes. His lawyer get-up had a red tie, a white shirt, and a black suit, and his general outfit was black with red V-neck and sleeves. That is a lot like the colors of Eclipsa and her monster lover Globgore.

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    • I would like to see Jackie Lynn Thomas in season 4. And you know what? I have some assumptions about Jackie Lynn Thomas. Namely, it's about her necklace with a shell. Maybe (but it's just a guess) she's a mermaid out of this world, like Mewni. Many fans speculate on whether Jackie is a mermaid. Who knows, it may be true. Anyway, that's just my guess.

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    • KateButterfly wrote: My concern is that trap door place from Conquer when the amnesiac Moon and Star tried to open it. Nobody would keep a dimension locked up unless it's to keep magic from flowing in or keep someone or something out. That well place could lead anywhere. The Monster Temple where Globgore is, the deeper chambers of St. O's or *gasps* Septarsis

      What if its earth?

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    • Eddy XD wrote: I would like to see Jackie Lynn Thomas in season 4. And you know what? I have some assumptions about Jackie Lynn Thomas. Namely, it's about her necklace with a shell. Maybe (but it's just a guess) she's a mermaid out of this world, like Mewni. Many fans speculate on whether Jackie is a mermaid. Who knows, it may be true. Anyway, that's just my guess.

      I saw an interview with Daron Nefcy at a signing in Mexico like... the summer of last year on YouTube, and she has said herself that Jackie is not a mermaid. I forgot around what time of the video, but I watched the entire video and she said that Jackie was never intended to be a mermaid. I could provide you a link to that fan signing of you want proof.

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    • Not saying i agree with this theory, but did she specify about her being a waterfolk?

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    • I'd like to see some flashbacks to the past. Specifically, Festivia's past and her time as the queen.

      Also the fallout between Star and the MHC.

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    • We definitely need to see more of Festivia's role throughout the fourth season. 

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    • JohnathanD wrote:
      Not saying i agree with this theory, but did she specify about her being a waterfolk?

      She never afflicted Jackie with any underwater residents from the Waterfolk Kingdom. 

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    • JohnathanD wrote:

      KateButterfly wrote: My concern is that trap door place from Conquer when the amnesiac Moon and Star tried to open it. Nobody would keep a dimension locked up unless it's to keep magic from flowing in or keep someone or something out. That well place could lead anywhere. The Monster Temple where Globgore is, the deeper chambers of St. O's or *gasps* Septarsis

      What if its earth?

      Then why did the play an ominous tone?

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    • I like its a completely different dimension and not just somewhere elee in mewni. And earth is the only dimension we've seen thats completely cut off from magic

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    • It would be great to see how Star is burning down the weed crops. And a 'lil bit of Skrillex's drop.

      More seriously - Don't you think that major problem of svtfoe S4 is that everything has been showed? If they want to make something new and epic, Daron have to throw a real bomb, like you know - new student in Echo Creek, looks like everyone else, then he/she slips to Mewni and destroys everething he/she can. Or he could burn the corn fields, just for fun, run away and play on Star's nose. Our brand new evil douche could be just a badass. Our brand new evil boy/girl can be one-men army. Also including offending every hero, because of YUP. He/she don't have to paranormal or to be a super-villain with wings and deathrays. Just a regular 17 years old psycho who wants to have fun.

      Eclipsa is over. Using her as important character will bring momentum and experience six feet below ground.

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    • We know like, nothing about Eclipsa, the only thing we really learned is that meteora is her duaghter

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    • Yea. In S2 Eclipsa was showed as ultimate force or something, then in S3 she was like "ey, ey I'm Star with different name". Using her as antagonist won't make sense, meanwhile using her as protagonist is also no-sense 'cuz it's STAR vs the forces of evil, not Eclipsa vs the forces of evil.

      Spin-off? OK. I am still thinking that there is no place for Eclipsa in S4.

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    • I mean... thats putting everything very briefly to say the least. At the heart of this show is a coming of age tale, not only about romances and responsibilities, but of learning what makes you who you are. What better way to show this than by demonstrating how even small events have their effect on your mentality. Another part of growing up is realising that the world isn't black and white, just because someone does something "good" or something "bad" doesnt make them that type of person. Even those you view as saints have done things they arent proud of, so personally; I would love to see Eclipsas life, to find understanding for her actions, wvwn if she is unable to be redeemed.

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    • Wiktor The Hell-Raiser wrote:
      Yea. In S2 Eclipsa was showed as ultimate force or something, then in S3 she was like "ey, ey I'm Star with different name". Using her as antagonist won't make sense, meanwhile using her as protagonist is also no-sense 'cuz it's STAR vs the forces of evil, not Eclipsa vs the forces of evil.

      Spin-off? OK. I am still thinking that there is no place for Eclipsa in S4.

      The way that S3 ended I think its impossible for Eclipsa to be left out. She will still be somewhat in the center, aside from Star and Marco and it'll be dumb to just throw her away like that. If Moon comes back (which a theory for another time), Eclipsa will be especially important because she has the wand. It is an interesting narrative because in the beginning of season 3, the royal family had everything (Glossaryck, the wand, and the liberty associated with the throne). Now they are in the same situation as Eclipsa: Magic-less, Glossaryck-less, and powerless. It'll be interesting how they will resolve the issues of the last two episodes (if they do at all)

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    • Wiktor The Hell-Raiser wrote:
      Yea. In S2 Eclipsa was showed as ultimate force or something, then in S3 she was like "ey, ey I'm Star with different name". Using her as antagonist won't make sense, meanwhile using her as protagonist is also no-sense 'cuz it's STAR vs the forces of evil, not Eclipsa vs the forces of evil.

      Spin-off? OK. I am still thinking that there is no place for Eclipsa in S4.

      What???? I agree that she is probably not going to be an antagonist (she is more of a chaotic neutral character than anything), but I really don't understand why you think Eclipsa won't have a role in season 4. Remember, she has the wand now. We know nothing about her husband, and she is still a very vague character. The writer made her vague purposely to have the rest of the audience more intrigued by her. The main dilemma of the show right now is the Mewman/Monster plot and Star being a false Butterfly. We know nothing about how the original Butterflys were like, who Festivia is, and the real meaning of those dark veins, which all tie into Eclipsa's character in some way. What made Eclipsa touch into dark magic? What is her story? We have no idea, so we are FAR from over with her. She will still be extremely important. 

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    • About the dark veins, there's a theory on the General Discussion Forum that discusses that and other related stuff. Its called "Theory for Moon, Eclipsa, and the Realm of Magic"

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    • Do we have to know everything you wrote here?

      I don't think that is really important. Eclipsa was tied with dark magic from day 0 of her reigns, isn't it obvious? She is called a "Queen of Darkness". Isn't it enough for you? Story of her husband would be just an another (boring) love story, that in S4 final episode won't make a difference. We can say that when Star is fun-loving Queen, Eclipsa is darkness-loving Queen.

      Lastly, wand. Wand. For now Eclipsa has wand, but after E1 of S4 the wand could in competly different hands. I know that it's Disney and it's gonna be a happy-end story, but I also know that people like things that have never been done before. And the third side of medal is that we have times(I mean in real life) when people would like rather see something on TV, instead of doing it by themselves, so some no-lifes+ regular watchers under 11 would like to see that love story.

      I completly went off-topic, but the point is that maybe not every one want to see a story ripped-off from 70s Disney Princess movies.

      When I saw svtfoe for first time, I saw something that I've never seen in any other cartoon.

      This universe is large and it would be a completly waste to not show it's abilities.

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    • No, you absolutely do not need to know all of that. All I wanted to do is offer a different angle of analysis to a somewhat vague topic: Eclipsa. Obviously Eclipsa is tied to Dark Magic, that's not what I was trying to argue. I was just trying to tie together the effects of Dark Magic to more aspects of the show (Queen Moon). However, there is far more to Eclipsa and her magic than "darkness-loving Queen". Like you said, this universe is large and I'm trying to scratch the surface in a semi-logical manner. We shouldn't have to stop trying to find logical association between characters and large aspects. In this way, we can see how they can affect each other and can offer more than just superficial knowledge. It may not be important, but (I think) it makes some sense and you are more than welcome to rebut. It doesn't really matter if it's important but rather if it has substinance and Eclipsa effect on Magic as a whole is definitely substantial 

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    • Of course. But somehow it's possible to include something about Eclipsa and something new. Eclipsa is not middle of multiverse and the reason I'm saying that is because you're talking only about her and her closliest family. Meanwhile I see many different ways to make S4 fabulous.

      For now I have only one question: "How to make S4 entertaining and keep it good with story at the same time?"

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    • Yeah, I know Eclipsa is not the center of the universe or anything. I was just saying that she was very important. S4 should definitely not be just Eclipsa and relatives but we need more info on her as well. I apologize if I made it seem like Eclipsa was the only person that really matter (because she isn't) but her influence can definitely been seen past Dark Magic.

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    • I di think its interesting that they choos to make her magic deep purple purple and starts golden yelllow

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    • It's a deep contrast likely to differentiate between the Light Magic and the Dark Magic. Its a cool choice of color and definitely unique from what I've seen

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    • Stars original pink magic color also contrasted with the green of ludo/toffeess as well. I do think its interesting that each type of magic is a different color. I think it helps deive the point across that eclipsas magic is dark, not evil

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    • You think every queen/princess has different color magic? Star's is mainly pink, Moon blue, Eclipsa dark purple, etc

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    • Maybe every type of magic is different? When star uses the all seeing eye its still purple, and when star would use the cirrupted eant it would be green.

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    • That's true. But why would Moon's be blue? Queen magic? its likely because it fits thematically with Moon's wardrobe 

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    • Steel is often shown as blue, so that would fit with her demeanor

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    • Makes sense. She's also always wearing a blue and silver/steel color palette. 

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    • Of course we don't need to know all of that, but there are a lot of possiblities to develop more of Eclipsa's storyline. She's still a super vague character and is more than just a "darkness loving queen" as stated above. Remember, this show is somewhat episodic, meaning that it is story based. Those possible plot points I mentioned are very story based.

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    • Jade Her Majesty wrote:

      Eddy XD wrote: I would like to see Jackie Lynn Thomas in season 4. And you know what? I have some assumptions about Jackie Lynn Thomas. Namely, it's about her necklace with a shell. Maybe (but it's just a guess) she's a mermaid out of this world, like Mewni. Many fans speculate on whether Jackie is a mermaid. Who knows, it may be true. Anyway, that's just my guess.

      I saw an interview with Daron Nefcy at a signing in Mexico like... the summer of last year on YouTube, and she has said herself that Jackie is not a mermaid. I forgot around what time of the video, but I watched the entire video and she said that Jackie was never intended to be a mermaid. I could provide you a link to that fan signing of you want proof.

      I don't think Daron was being completley honest: https://www.toonzone.net/sdcc-2017-star-vs-the-forces-of-evilmilo-murphys-law-panel/

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    • What I hope to see is more secrets about St. Olga and her school. In the part where Meteora was a teen, have you noticed the signs that said "Order is Divine" and "Perfection is Beauty"? Does that remind you guys of anyone in the Book of Spells?

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    • KateButterfly wrote:
      What I hope to see is more secrets about St. Olga and her school. In the part where Meteora was a teen, have you noticed the signs that said "Order is Divine" and "Perfection is Beauty"? Does that remind you guys of anyone in the Book of Spells?

      Uh, honestly no

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    • Walt Disney, Jr. wrote:

      KateButterfly wrote:
      What I hope to see is more secrets about St. Olga and her school. In the part where Meteora was a teen, have you noticed the signs that said "Order is Divine" and "Perfection is Beauty"? Does that remind you guys of anyone in the Book of Spells?

      Uh, honestly no

      I'll give you a hint. He's a lost member and a very "orderly" guy resembling another animal.

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    • KateButterfly wrote:

      Walt Disney, Jr. wrote:

      KateButterfly wrote:
      What I hope to see is more secrets about St. Olga and her school. In the part where Meteora was a teen, have you noticed the signs that said "Order is Divine" and "Perfection is Beauty"? Does that remind you guys of anyone in the Book of Spells?
      Uh, honestly no

      I'll give you a hint. He's a lost member and a very "orderly" guy resembling another animal.

      The Giraffe in the Magic High Commission?

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    • I think we might see a little more about the Great Monster Massacre which is celebrated at the Mewnipendance day. I recently rewatched the episode and noticed that Star called the device which Toffee/Ludo used to spy on her the "All-Seeing Eye" which might imply that either Eclipsa herself ruled when the massacre took place or another Queen of Mewni used one of Eclipsas "forbidden" spells during the war. And the line about reminding the monsters that the royal family "is always watching" might suggest that there is even more of a connection between Eclipsa and what happened there or that using the All-Seeing Eye wasn't all that uncommon for Princesses/Queens of Mewni to keep an eye at the monsters.

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    • speaking of the darkest spell, do you think that Star would come up with a counter spell to heal those afflicted by the side effect.

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    • Janime15 wrote: speaking of the darkest spell, do you think that Star would come up with a counter spell to heal those afflicted by the side effect.

      Most definitely. She'll learn her own magic

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    • I was thinking the chant would go like this;

      I call upon the illuminating light, that delivers hope in the darkest of night

      from the great beast unspoken, restore the ones who have been broken

      to clear as day i free my soul, and rise up from burning coal

      to summon forth this sacred flame, to those once lost we shall reclaim

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    • Dryadalis3 wrote:
      I think we might see a little more about the Great Monster Massacre which is celebrated at the Mewnipendance day. I recently rewatched the episode and noticed that Star called the device which Toffee/Ludo used to spy on her the "All-Seeing Eye" which might imply that either Eclipsa herself ruled when the massacre took place or another Queen of Mewni used one of Eclipsas "forbidden" spells during the war. And the line about reminding the monsters that the royal family "is always watching" might suggest that there is even more of a connection between Eclipsa and what happened there or that using the All-Seeing Eye wasn't all that uncommon for Princesses/Queens of Mewni to keep an eye at the monsters.

      When is "The Royal family is always watching" mentioned? Also why would a massacre happen under Eclipsa's rule? You'd think she wouldn't allow that given her sympathies towards monsters. 

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    • Here's what I plan to do once we see an ep where the MHC meet with Glossaryck after the Meteora Incident:

      • shamefingers* You're gonna get it! You're gonna get it! Glossaryck's gonna kill you! Nah Nah Nah Nah Nah Nah!
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    • @ElJedi it's during the Episode https://starvstheforcesofevil.fandom.com/wiki/Mewnipendance_Day where they enact the great monster massacre. Marco asks in the beginning what that "thing" is and Star explains that it is the All-Seeing Eye that followes you around all day to remind the monsters that the royal family is always watching, but doesn't actually see anything (as far as she knows).
      Screenshot 2019-01-19 Star vs the Forces of Evil Mewnipendance Day The Banagic Wand Full Episode - YouTube

      That is what I'm talking about btw.

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    • Dryadalis3 wrote:
      @ElJedi it's during the Episode https://starvstheforcesofevil.fandom.com/wiki/Mewnipendance_Day where they enact the great monster massacre. Marco asks in the beginning what that "thing" is and Star explains that it is the All-Seeing Eye that followes you around all day to remind the monsters that the royal family is always watching, but doesn't actually see anything (as far as she knows).
      Screenshot 2019-01-19 Star vs the Forces of Evil Mewnipendance Day The Banagic Wand Full Episode - YouTube

      That is what I'm talking about btw.

      Okay, the visual is a bit disturbing but very creative.

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    • maybe show the back story of Tom and star first meeting.
      or the story of why tofee is evil 
       
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    • I'm hoping for a backstory on Toffee as well.

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    • I hope we'll see Jackie, Janna, StarFan13 and everyone else from Earth.

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    • Walt Disney, Jr. wrote: I hope we'll see Jackie, Janna, StarFan13 and everyone else from Earth.

      I do to. I understand the focus of the story shifted from Earth to Mewni but I'd like to see how everyone from the first season back on Earth is doing.

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    • Dryadalis3 wrote:
      @ElJedi it's during the Episode https://starvstheforcesofevil.fandom.com/wiki/Mewnipendance_Day where they enact the great monster massacre. Marco asks in the beginning what that "thing" is and Star explains that it is the All-Seeing Eye that followes you around all day to remind the monsters that the royal family is always watching, but doesn't actually see anything (as far as she knows).
      Screenshot 2019-01-19 Star vs the Forces of Evil Mewnipendance Day The Banagic Wand Full Episode - YouTube

      That is what I'm talking about btw.

      HOLD UP.

      You know what I just realized?!

      In that episode, where Star introduces that All-Seeing eye, then later Toffee states "It is the most efficient way to spy on your enemy"

      I just realized that that moment was foreshadowing the use of the All Seeing Eye that Eclipsa invented! 

      Mind: Blown!

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    • Swampbender55 wrote:

      Walt Disney, Jr. wrote: I hope we'll see Jackie, Janna, StarFan13 and everyone else from Earth.

      I do to. I understand the focus of the story shifted from Earth to Mewni but I'd like to see how everyone from the first season back on Earth is doing.

      Maybe we will in Britta's Tacos

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    • Walt Disney, Jr. wrote:

      Swampbender55 wrote:

      Walt Disney, Jr. wrote: I hope we'll see Jackie, Janna, StarFan13 and everyone else from Earth.

      I do to. I understand the focus of the story shifted from Earth to Mewni but I'd like to see how everyone from the first season back on Earth is doing.

      Maybe we will in Britta's Tacos

      Speaking of which, I just had a thought. What if the MHC are working in Britta's Tacos? There was a foreshadowing of something happening because Hekapoo allowed Nachos to be taken into the Neverzone.

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    • KateButterfly wrote:

      Walt Disney, Jr. wrote:

      Swampbender55 wrote:

      Walt Disney, Jr. wrote: I hope we'll see Jackie, Janna, StarFan13 and everyone else from Earth.

      I do to. I understand the focus of the story shifted from Earth to Mewni but I'd like to see how everyone from the first season back on Earth is doing.
      Maybe we will in Britta's Tacos

      Speaking of which, I just had a thought. What if the MHC are working in Britta's Tacos? There was a foreshadowing of something happening because Hekapoo allowed Nachos to be taken into the Neverzone.

      I've heard it suggested that Star did fire the MHC in Divide (Allowing Glossaryck to cross it off his bucket list) Globgor might be freed by then so maybe they're trying to stay as far away from Mewni as possibly because the big guy is probably gonna want payback.

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    • I just read through the entries on the Queens of Mewni and found something peculiar. I was originally trying to find something that could suggest what kind of connection Celena and the blood moon/Marco could have, but found what was said about Rhina Butterfly instead.

      Seven came before Rhina (if you subtract the boy).
      Add four more reigns to her domain and then what gets destroyed?

      The fourth reign after Rhina Butterfly is the reign of Moon Butterfly. The question now is: Who is meant to have destroyed something. Moon who destroyed the crystal and set Eclipsa free or was it maybe meant that the lie that Festivia was a Butterfly gets destroyed, but why than include the 7 before Rhina (which uncludes Eclipsa and her ancestors) into the description? Star who became (acting) queen when her mother disappeared (don't know what she would've destroyed, though)? Or Eclipsa who was the first to (actually) reign after the fourth reign added to Rhina's and who destroyed the way the society worked before that and allowed the monsters to live a normal life? Or is it even someone entirely different and Eclipsa didn't count since it isn't actually a new reign, but a continued reign (Which might fit into the theory that Marco might become the new King of Mewni as an actual Butterfly)?

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